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Cavadus
Sat, 14 Jun 2008, 16:39
Why Is Bush Helping Saudi Arabia Build Nukes?

By EDWARD J. MARKEY
June 10, 2008; Page A15

Here's a quick geopolitical quiz: What country is three times the size of Texas and has more than 300 days of blazing sun a year? What country has the world's largest oil reserves resting below miles upon miles of sand? And what country is being given nuclear power, not solar, by President George W. Bush, even when the mere assumption of nuclear possession in its region has been known to provoke pre-emptive air strikes, even wars?


If you answered Saudi Arabia to all of these questions, you're right.


Last month, while the American people were becoming the personal ATMs of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in Saudi Arabia signing away an even more valuable gift: nuclear technology. In a ceremony little-noticed in this country, Ms. Rice volunteered the U.S. to assist Saudi Arabia in developing nuclear reactors, training nuclear engineers, and constructing nuclear infrastructure. While oil breaks records at $130 per barrel or more, the American consumer is footing the bill for Saudi Arabia's nuclear ambitions.


Saudi Arabia has poured money into developing its vast reserves of natural gas for domestic electricity production. It continues to invest in a national gas transportation pipeline and stepped-up exploration, building a solid foundation for domestic energy production that could meet its electricity needs for many decades. Nuclear energy, on the other hand, would require enormous investments in new infrastructure by a country with zero expertise in this complex technology.


Have Ms. Rice, Mr. Bush or Saudi leaders looked skyward? The Saudi desert is under almost constant sunshine. If Mr. Bush wanted to help his friends in Riyadh diversify their energy portfolio, he should have offered solar panels, not nuclear plants.


Saudi Arabia's interest in nuclear technology can only be explained by the dangerous politics of the Middle East. Saudi Arabia, a champion and kingpin of the Sunni Arab world, is deeply threatened by the rise of Shiite-ruled Iran.
The two countries watch each other warily over the waters of the Persian Gulf, buying arms and waging war by proxy in Lebanon and Iraq. An Iranian nuclear weapon would radically alter the region's balance of power, and could prove to be the match that lights the tinderbox. By signing this agreement with the U.S., Saudi Arabia is warning Iran that two can play the nuclear game.


In 2004, Vice President Dick Cheney said, "[Iran is] already sitting on an awful lot of oil and gas. No one can figure why they need nuclear, as well, to generate energy." Mr. Cheney got it right about Iran. But a potential Saudi nuclear program is just as suspicious. For a country with so much oil, gas and solar potential, importing expensive and dangerous nuclear power makes no economic sense.


The Bush administration argues that Saudi Arabia can not be compared to Iran, because Riyadh said it won't develop uranium enrichment or spent-fuel reprocessing, the two most dangerous nuclear technologies. At a recent hearing before my Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman shrugged off concerns about potential Saudi misuse of nuclear assistance for a weapons program, saying simply: "I presume that the president has a good deal of confidence in the King and in the leadership of Saudi Arabia."


That's not good enough. We would do well to remember that it was the U.S. who provided the original nuclear assistance to Iran under the Atoms for Peace program, before Iran's monarch was overthrown in the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Such an uprising in Saudi Arabia today could be at least as damaging to U.S. security.


We've long known that America's addiction to oil pays for the spread of extremism. If this Bush nuclear deal moves forward, Saudi Arabia's petrodollars could flow to the dangerous expansion of nuclear technologies in the most volatile region of the world.


While the scorching Saudi Arabian sun heats sand dunes instead of powering photovoltaic panels, millions of Americans will fork over $4 a gallon without realizing that their gas tank is fueling a nascent nuclear arms race.

Rep. Markey (D., Mass.) is chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.
Original Link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121305642257659301.html?mod=googlenews_wsj)

Seriously: What the fuck? We're nearing the precipice of war with Iran to prevent them from attaining nuclear technology. The factually inaccurate assessment by the CIA of Iraq's alleged WMD was paramount in our justification for going to war with Iraq.

And now here we are handing out fuckin' nuclear reactor technology and training their nuclear engineers? A country which is a brutal theocratic Islamist monarchy?

Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ.

Revoco
Sun, 15 Jun 2008, 19:05
reminds me of the nuke scare with korea. kinda struck me as odd that we didnt invade them for potentially having active nuclear weapons considering how much they (openly) hate us. but then again nothing to steal from there so i suppose an occupation would have been pointless.

Cavadus
Sun, 15 Jun 2008, 19:22
The "war for oil" thing is a crock of shit, dude. If there was any truth to it we'd be, like, increasing oil production in Iraq. The current oil production is equal to that of pre-invasion.

I wish we had stolen their oil though. At least then there would have been a point to the three years I spent year. I guess the victors don't always get the spoils...

Oh well, Petraeus knows what he's doing at least.

Campbell
Mon, 16 Jun 2008, 17:00
Bush wants the US to stay dependent on oil which means giving em alternatives to building an infrastructure for using oil, so they can keep exporting oil to the US.

If they get even more into oil usage they might well decide that they want more of their oil for themselves, and raise our prices, reducing profit of the big US oil companies.

As for giving em nukes instead of solar power, well obviously nuclear power has been around and has more backing than solar power which isn't 100% perfected yet, so they got Bush more in their pocket than solar does. (If there even is such a communal entity as "Big solar" lol ).

Plus, it does give em the opportunity to make nuclear weapons to use against Iran, like hell they aren't gonna turn their shit into weapons grade material.


On the other hand, maybe Bush is really just that retarded. Perhaps he wants to "go green" and read that nuclear energy is "greener" than oil, and convinced them of that. :)

Cavadus
Mon, 16 Jun 2008, 17:11
Well, until our vehicles are powered by nuclear reactors I don't think nuclear power has much to do with "going green" over oil. Though the moratorium on nuclear plants needs to be lifted like ten years ago.

Did you know that eight modern nuclear plants would be enough to power all of America and that leaves two extra unused plants for redundancy? Technically one working fusion tokamak can power all of America indefinitely.

Mmmm, fusion. Hurry the fuck up, CERN.

Campbell
Mon, 16 Jun 2008, 23:27
Certain smart people want to farm the moon for its Helium-3 that has been deposited there by the sun. H-3 is perfect for fusion reactors, many many times the energy compared to nukes, and clean burning too. But they don't have much backing for it. Fusion from H-3 is something like 80+ % efficient compared to stuff thats readily available on earth. The atmosphere blocks it from accumulating for us though, so we have to get it from the moon or other extraterestrial sources.

Cavadus
Mon, 16 Jun 2008, 23:33
Man, we gotta get back up there. The moon is technically American soil, after all.

Booyah, international community. Whaddya think of them apples? Someone get my gun.

http://www.uh.edu/%7Edsocs3/images/American_Flag_2.jpg

Campbell
Tue, 17 Jun 2008, 18:10
If they wanted volunteers for a moon or mars colony I would so sign up.

Washburne
Sat, 28 Jun 2008, 19:41
I still dont understand the reasoning for not building more nuclear power plants. I get the "not in my neighborhood" mentality a lot of folks have but there are plenty of empty spaces to build a few plants. The new technology is very very safe. I lived in phoenix for most of my life and it has a Nuclear power plant right outside the city and has had it for most of my life and I dont have a 3rd arm or elephantiasis of the penis...although that last one might be cool!

Wash